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Energy Policy 'Too Wind Focused'

July 12, 2009

Editor:  The UK is calling for more coal and nuclear.

But here in Ontario,  Dalton McGuinty and George Smitherman just keep on jambing up the wind farms even though anyone with an ounce of sense  should know better.

Listen up Dalton and George, it’s over, everyone but you two seen to get the picture.

Quit wasting the taxpayers money!  CO2 doesn’t cause global warming.

Get your act together or resign!

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The UK must invest more in nuclear and clean coal energy and put less emphasis on wind power if it wants a secure low-carbon future, business leaders say.

The CBI says government energy policy is “disjointed” and it is urging a “more balanced” energy mix.

The current approach means the UK might miss climate change targets, it added.

The government said putting in place a balanced mix of renewables, new nuclear and cleaner fossil fuels was at the heart of its energy policy.

But the CBI is calling for more action.

“The government’s disjointed approach is deterring the private sector investment needed to get our energy system up to scratch, bolster security and cut emissions,” said CBI deputy director general John Cridland.

“While we have generous subsidies for wind power, we urgently need the national planning statements needed to build new nuclear plants.

“If we carry on like this we will end up putting too many of our energy eggs in one basket.”

Full story at the BBC

Premier, Dalton McGuinty Talks About Renewable Energy For Ontario

Ontario becomes a Fascist State

More growers turn to coal – Use of Coal is Expanding in the Province of Ontario

Beware! The Green Shirts Are Here

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The Green Energy Act – Tom Adams

July 5, 2009

Tom Adams talks about new powers in the Green Energy Act that allows the govt. to impose unlimited energy taxes.  Fascism has arrived in Ontario!

Ontario Goes Green – Green Homes

June 8, 2009

The McGuinty govt. of Ontario has gone all the way in an attempt to save the planet by introducing the “Green Homes Plan”

In order to be truly Green, no manufactured building materials will be allowed in new homes.

Here are just a couple of the new models that will be available soon.

This home will be of interest  to the first time home buyer or those looking to downsize after retirement.

Below is a new complex and will be of special interest to those with a busy lifestyle. Besides all the other benefits of living in a MUD HUT you can see the community clothes drying facilities in the center courtyard.

Thank you Mr. McGuinty and Mr. Smitherman for your help in making Ontario a “Green Province” we can be all proud of.

Sorry if we questioned your vision.  Some thought you were an idiot.

Well, you proved us wrong!

In only a couple of weeks our new Green Homes will be powered  intermittently by Majestic wind turbines and we will have light and electricity………………sometimes.

Video Report – What to Expect From Renewable Energy

May 15, 2009

The Ontario govt. has passed Bill 150/Green Energy Act. The act not only removes the rights of Municipal govt., it also puts the economy of Ont. in real jeopardy.

Al Gore Exposed by Congress Global Warming

May 4, 2009

Gore is and always has been a con man.  Google Al Gore and Enron or Al Gore and Maurice Strong.  The Liberal Party of Ontario is involved in the scam. Either that or McGuinty and his party  are completely stupid.

Either way, they must change direction or be brought to justice.

Watch Gore squirm in this C-Span video.

John Gerretsen, M.P

January 13, 2009

By Ron Stephens
Independent candidate for Grey – Bruce

The letter below is from Hugh Christopher Brown of Wolfe Island, Ontario.

He, like many others in this province, is frustrated with the Minister of Environment. From the office of Premier McGuinty to the office of your local MPP, the government has shown absolute disrespect for the citizens of this province.

From the dismantling of Ont. Hydro by Maurice Strong, the father of Kyoto, to the present day, our electrical system has been guided, not by those who understand our electrical systems and the needs of the province, but by the E8, another Maurice Strong product, and Agenda 21 from the UN.

Our electrical system has been sold off, and the citizens and manufacturing sector are being fed to the wolves.

It would not matter which party is in power. They have all bought into the idea of rule by the UN. Sustainability they like to call it. Sustainability means giving up our rights and freedoms to an outside entity.

Treason, if you will.

Every political party in this province will push wind farms to appease the “Green Movement”. Why? Because they are gutless traitors.

The govt. cannot present a case to defend their actions, because other than Green rhetoric, there is no case.

Nowhere in the world has wind energy proven it’s worth. The Danes are fighting against wind farms in Denmark, birthplace of modern day wind energy.

Germany, home to more wind power than any other country is building 26 coal plants. Why? Wind is not doing the job, nor will it ever.

Denmark saw wind as a clean alternative. It is a very small country of 5 million, yet it is heavily dependent on it’s neighbours for it’s power.

Enron discovered they could make a lot of money and gain control of large portions of the American grid by jumping on the “Global Warming” wagon.

Clinton, Gore and Maurice Strong were all involved in helping Enron.

Through subsidies and tax benefits, combined with their natural gas interests, there was billions to be made.

Nothing has changed. The wind industry of today is the ghost of Enron reborn, and it’s just as evil.

Don’t take my word, do your own research.

Please support the people of Wolfe Island and the many other communities threatened by wind farms by sending your thoughts to the Minister of the Environment.

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April 12, 2008

Mr. John Gerretsen, M.P

Minister of the Environment

135 St. Clair Ave W., 15th Floor

Toronto, Ontario

M4V 1P5
RE: WOLFE ISLAND WIND PROJECT – APPEAL REQUEST FOR EA
Dear Mr. Gerretsen:
I am in absolute disbelief that an individual Environmental

Assessment has been denied for this project.

CREC has obliged itself to deliver a wind plant with nameplate

capacity of 197.8 megawatts, to be operational by October 2008.
In a letter to Shelia Allen, dated January 4 2008, Ontario Projects

Manager Geoff Carnegie refers to financial penalties to be imposed by

the OPA should CREC fail to deliver on this obligation.
In the same letter, Mr Carnegie also comments on the economic

“non-viability” of turbine deactivation or removal, and allows that

CREC will counter adverse effects only by employing “commercially

reasonable” efforts.
So Mr. Gerretsen, am I to understand that a private energy company is

taking money to fulfill a production quota, self site a power plant,

and now declares itself immune to accountability on financial basis?
I do not need to go into great detail about the social and

environmental uniqueness of Wolfe Island. You have been well furnished

with documents to that effect. You know that this island sits at the

head of the biggest estuary on the planet, is on the flight path of a

significant number of migratory species, and is the nesting site for

many endangered species. You also know as a CLASS IV IBA, Wolfe Island

would not even qualify for this development were the proposal made

today.
You are also well aware that not a single turbine has been moved in

response to the

many recommendations of Environment Canada, Ministry of Natural Resources,

Ducks Unlimited and the Kingston Field Naturalists. So what exactly is

going on?
You have attended a conciliatory BBQ with optioned landowners and

told concerned citizens that you “like the look of windmills”.
You are the Minister of The Environment, and you demand nothing more

of corporations than they self regulate their practices as much as is

‘commercially reasonable’ ?
I am well aware of the political risks of criticising wind energy. I

also know that if these projects are done recklessly, it jeopardizes

the future of wind development in our country.
You need look no further than our divided community, or the price of

real estate Melanthon to see where a lack of policy is getting us.

Does your party want to go down as the builders of sustainability,

viable public infrastructure, or the contractors of political

expedience? To choose the later risks not only your legacy, but as I

stated, that of the industry itself.
I like the look of windmills too. I like the clusters of 4-5 you

see outside of Danish villages, or the 20 in Copenhagen’s harbour.

Denmark is the leader in renewable energy, has decades of experience

in wind harnessing, uses minimum setbacks of two kilometres, and

practices the environmentally meaningful method of energy production:

‘use at source’. This is not the paradigm being followed here.
Our constituency is further insulted that we are left to the mercy

of absurd ‘post construction mitigation’, carried out at the

discretion of a company which has lied to us with promises of turbine

deactivation in the event of high avian mortality, noise, ice throw or

other perils. Mr Carnegie’s letter lets us know this form of

mitigation is actually an autopsy. Once our habitats are desecrated,

CREC proposes buying land elsewhere and “creating new sites with

desirable habitat features”. So much for good old conservation. I

would call this level of vanity ‘Biblical’.
If a bump-up is denied , we will take every political and legal

measure to bring this ill-informed green washing to light. As a

musician who travels the world, I have watched communities grow up

quickly in the face of political opportunists. I am no longer asked in

interviews what my problem with wind power is, but where is my

government in all this?
I would like to say that it is working with due diligence to secure

meaningful and sustainable practises. Today those are definitely not

the words I use. Give our island the respect of full environmental

assessment, and let us implement appropriate safeguards to protect the

environment and your constituents. Anything less implicates a

dedicated ignorance or ulterior motive.
Sincerely,
Hugh Christopher Brown

Wolfe Island, Ontario

c.c.
Lynn Moore, Chair

Wolfe Island Residents for the Environment

792 Fairfax Dr., Kingston, Ontario K7M 4V7
c.c.
Dalton McGuinty, Premier

Legislative Building

Queen’s Park

Toronto, Ontario M7A 1A1

dmcguinty.mpp.co@liberal.ola.org
Mr. Robert W. Runciman

Room 436, Main Legislative Building

Toronto ON M7A 1A4

rwrunciman@brockville.com
John Yakabuski

Official Opposition Energy Critic

Queen’s Park

Room 202, N.W., Legislative building

Toronto, Ontario M7A lA8

john.yakabuski@pc.ola.org
Ted Arnott

Tourism Critic PC

181 St. Andrew St E, 2nd Flr

Fergus ON N1M 1P9

ted.arnott@pc.ola.org
Ms. Peggy Smith, Solicitor

160 Johnson St.,

Kingston, Ontario K7L 1Y1

middle@kos.net
Mr. John Tory, PC Leader,

Room 200, NW, Legislative Bldg,

Queen’s Park, Toronto, Ontario M7A lA8

leader@ontariopc.net
Ms. Elizabeth May, Leader

Green Party of Canada

P.O. Box 997, Station B

Ottawa, Ontario K1P 5R1

leader@greenparty.ca

Roger Fuhr – A Fox in the Hen House!

December 20, 2008

I wondered why Mr. Fuhr was so vile in his response to WCO.  WCO asked his council to consider joining other councils asking for a health study before any more wind turbines are erected in Ontario.

Yesterday when this was posted I thought Mr. Fuhr was just misinformed.

NOW WE KNOW

Council Minutes, Jan 30, 2006 7:30 p.m.
Roger Fuhr and Tyler Moore, CEO of Permanent Power Solutions met with council to make a presentation on Wind Energy. Council asked questions of the presenters. Reeve McKay thanked them for coming and explaining this interesting concept. Council will give it some consideration when working on the building plans.

Township of Perth South – Local Business Listings:

FREE BREEZE Energy Systems ltd.
4236 Perth Line 20
St. Pauls, Ontario, N0K 1V0
ph. 519-271-1636
fx. 519-271-1636
eml. roger@freebreeze.com
www.freebreeze.com

Primary Contact: Roger Fuhr

Number of Employees 2007: 8

Wind & Solar Power – FreeBreeze Energy Systems Ltd. provides turn-key renewable energy systems. We specialize in custom wind and solar installations of all sizes.

Operating since 2001 out of Waterloo and St. Pauls

Mr. Fuhr is a fox in the hen house – are there more on this council?

What about the other councils?

The foxes and weasels must be rooted out!

Put them on a slow boat to China so they can be with their mentor Maurice Strong


As you can see below, Mr. Fuhr appears to be wearing his turbine proudly and refuses to accept any information that may cast a shadow on his turbine or its perceived benefits for society.

No one is suggesting Mr. Fuhr  give up his turbine – live and let live – but should his beliefs be forced upon the rest of society?

Money above all else!

perth-south-council-2007
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Township of Perth South,
Council & Staff

Back Row – left to right: James Aitcheson, Councillor; Wm. Doupe, Operations Manager; Cathy Barker, Councillor; Stuart Arkett, Councillor; Elizabeth Armstrong, Councillor; Roger Fuhr, Councillor; Don Templeman, CBO; Front Row: Muriel King, Clerk-Treasurer; Ronald McKay, Reeve; Robert Wilhelm, Deputy-Reeve

Mr. Fuhr – The govt. of Ontario visits this site on a daily basis. I requested they look over the information contained and to contact me if they find any information they feel is incorrect. To date there have been no requests for any changes. Please educate yourself and your council.

Premier, Dalton McGuinty Talks About Renewable Energy For Ontario

Are turbines making some people sick?

Germany Plans Boom in Coal-Fired Power Plants

Wind turbines cause health problems, residents say – CTV News

The Wind Energy Scam- Compare the Numbers

Wind energy unreliable, says E.On

Here is the request sent to you and your council by WCO ( Wind Concerns Ontario)

Honorable Mayor and Councilors,

The Ontario Provincial government has mandated development of wind electrical generators across rural Ontario communities yet has set the entire process in motion with no guidelines or information given to the rural municipalities.
They have downloaded the entire responsiblity to small rural communities who do not have the resources to deal with this new and complex technology in regards to planning and protection of residential and sensitive wildlife areas.
In the past few weeks, several municipalities are beginning to question this and are now asking the province to take some responsibility if they are insisting on forcing this onto rural communities.  (Please click on each link to learn more on what these communities are doing.)
FACT:   The Province of Ontario has conducted NO epidemiology/health studies on wind turbines and human health nor have they consulted any in creating their policies.

FACT:   In comparison with other countries in the world, the province of Ontario is allowing some of the closest setbacks from homes and families.    This allows virtually no protection from any health, noise or flicker problems.

FACT:  The Province of Ontario has refused every request to date (appox 19) to conduct a full environmental assessment – only proponent driven “reviews” (basically checklists) with no independent confirmation or peer review.

FACT:   The Province of Ontario has relied on CanWEA, a consortium and industrial lobby group for 350 wind companies to obtain the majority of their pricing, policy and information in regards to siting.

FACT:  Families in Melanchon have been bought out of their homes and then made to sign gag orders to stop any complaints.   Families in Ripley have been evacuated from their homes due to dirty electricity and stray voltage due to industrial wind turbines.  There are also complaints from the Goderich and Port Burwell wind farms and most recently, Port Alma.

FACT:   The Province of Ontario has downloaded the entire responsiblity onto small rural municipalities who do not have the resources to deal with this new, complex issue.

WHY?    So the Provincial government will be blameless in the end.

We urge you to please follow the lead of Loyalist Township, Dawn-Emphemia Township, South Algonquin Township, Prince Edward County, the Township of Norwich, the Township of St. Clair, the Municipality of Essex and the Municipality of Leamington in sending a message to the provincial government  that this is unacceptable.
No one but YOU the rural municipal Councilors and Mayors have the power to act.
Respectfully,
Maureen Anderson
Wind Concerns Ontario
http://windconcernsontario.org
And your response –
Sent to WCO website:
I am absolutely shocked to read so many comments here that are, quite frankly, totally irresponsible. Its hard to imagine how many people suffer from NIMBY in this province. Also difficult to believe that so many are in denial still regarding climate change. I have an idea, lets go with safe nuclear power, its not like we are leaving any problems with future generations like byproducts that we can’t dispose of. And, lets build more of these plants in the backyards of those people who would not like to have wind generators. We could give them the option of a coal fired generator in their backyard if they don’t like the nuclear one. Is this a fairer solution to you power wasters out there?? Sincerely, Councillor Roger Fuhr, Township of Perth South, Ontario.
rfuhr@quadro.net

Dear Mr. Fuhr

To offer the alternative of a coal or nuclear generation in my backyard is clearly not an option our provincial gov’t is imposing on myself and my neighbours having to face Industrial Wind Development.  What is being forced upon us,  is  plain and simply several  400 ft structures that are causing Vibroacoustic disease among residents living within 2 km of these behemoths. Have a look at Ripley, Goderich, Shelburne and now Melancthon.   In addition because there is no good regulation that can help municipalities site these fans on a stick properly,  wind developers are getting away with undersized transmission design which are leading stray voltage and dirty electricity into people’s homes.  The symptoms are described as living in a microwave.   I can see from your sarcasm you would boil that down to the NIMBY syndrome without so much as an effort to investigate for yourself. I’ve been to visit these people and it’s nothing short of a train wreck.

If the health issues are not enough for you,  how about sinking taxpayers dollars into an unreliable, non dispatchable, inefficient, miniscule amount of energy all to the tune of 2.5 x the going electricity rates.   In turn,  there will be not one fossil fuel generating plant closed nor will we gain  on the GHG emissions.  Looks like  your wish for us NIMBY’s to face a coal generating plant my happen anyway just like Germany is presently doing with 26 new coal generating plants despite having the largest penetration of wind energy.

We all want to do good things for our world, our families our communities our environment.  At first glance wind seems to fit in with these good intentions.  But now is the time to stop with the ideology and put good hard numbers and investigate this before it goes too far and hurts exactly what we are all trying our darndest to protect.
I beg of you Mr. Fuhr, stop accusing us of being NIMBY’s.  We are all deeply concerned citizens that are facing the challenge of a lifetime as well as a very real threat.
Colette McLean
Essex County landowner facing the threat of 30 turbines all within 2 km of my home.

Dear Ms. McLean:  I sincerely apologize for any offense taken by you for my comments. There certainly was no intent there to do so.  While I do not consider myself to be an expert in the field, your comment regarding lack of effort to investigate is absolutely not true.  I have been educating myself for almost 5 years now regarding such issues. I, for one, view the installations at Shelburne and etc. as beautiful projects indicating our desire to become responsible users of power.

Vibrocaustic disease is, in my opinion, not a proven fact,  and even if it was, it pales in comparison to the effects of nuclear accidents. I’m sure you have viewed the effects of the meltdown of the reactor at Chernobyl.  Which medical issues do you view as being worse?  I do not know of anyone who would want a nuclear reactor in their back yard.  And, I view the issue of leaving nuclear waste behind for future generations to deal with as absolutely irresponsible in every way, shape and form.  How long do you think it will be before these wastes poison our water, land, and whatever other resources that we do not own, but simply borrow from our children, would you like some of this heavy water in your well? Living near hydro lines of any type has been an issue for years, I’m sure you know that homes are not allowed to be built close to such transmission lines.  Why do you think that is, perhaps because wind generators cause this?  No, it is because electricity in the forms we produce it and move it, is not a natural occurence which is yet another example of how man abuses nature.

Do you have a microwave oven in your home?  Do you use it or ever eat food cooked in a microwave? Do you believe that such food is safe for human consumption?  If yes to any of these, then you are already near to, and consuming microwaved foods.  Are you prepared to ban microwave ovens from society?

Wind developers are hooking their equipment into one of the most antiquated transmission systems in the developed world, and so are generating devices of all kinds, such as coal, nuclear, hydro and etc.  It is the fault of our provincial government that our transmission system has been allowed to be outdated, despite the billions of dollars that have been poured into the grid over the decades.  Some of this investment has been absolutely wasted on such things as drastic cost overruns to build nuclear plants and also millions of dollars to get rid of executives within hydro one and related firms.  Are you pleased to be paying a debt retirement fee on your power bill?  Do you believe that any business should be allowed to make such charges to their customers?  The behemoths known as Hydro One, OPA, OPG and whatever other derivitives the provincial goverment can come up with, are totally dysfunctional organizations in every sense of the word.

Regarding electricity rates, I surely hope you understand that our power bills have been being subsidized by taxpayers for decades now.  Do you believe that the cost to produce electricity is 5.3 cents per killowatt hour?  If you do, try dividing your entire power bill by the number of kilowatt hours that you have purchased, this should be an indication for you of how they hide the actual cost of power.  I believe the actual cost of electricity should be paid up front, and that this actual cost of production is most certainly in excess of 15 cents per kilowatt hour.  Nuclear production of power easily exceeds that cost.  Even solar power, one of the cleanest ways to produce electricity, has been granted a 42 cent per kilowatt hour rate by the Ontario government.  Surely you must be able to deduce that 5.3 cents a kilowatt hour in no way, shape or form, accurately represents the cost of production.
I have to admit, that I am unaware of any such new coal fired plants being built in Germany and I would ask you to provide me with proof of such, I simply find this difficult to believe.  Is there a reputable website that you can refer me to so that I might research this myself please?  I know that Germany is a world leader in renewable energy, a model that we should be using in my opinion, so I will need to be convinced that this is actually true. If it is, I will surely want to research the reasons why they are doing this, have you done so?
In closing Ms. McLean, I want you to know that my comments here are not directed at you or any specific group.  Rather, this is entirely directed at the Provincial Government.  Successive governments have been irresponsible in matters of power production, transmission and management thereof.  It is time for us to stop downloading our problems onto future generations, it sickens me to think that we cannot as a society, be responsible for our own power needs without leaving a legacy of pollution, debt and perhaps total environmental disasters.  I beg not only you, but all members of the human race to start being responsible for the power that you use, or to stop using power.  Stop wasting it, conserve, educate yourself, commit acts of green.  But above all, please stop the propaganda machine that I believe the wind concerns website represents.  Contact a scientist to get their opinion instead.

Regards,

Councillor Roger Fuhr

Township of Perth South,,,, and concerned citizen regarding the future of our children, grandchildren and subsequent generations
My responses are in red below.

Colette McLean

—– Original Message —–

From: roger fuhr

Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 1:30 PM

Subject: Re:

Dear Ms. McLean:  I sincerely apologize for any offense taken by you for my comments. And yet you continue through  this message to further expound hugely offensive and ill informed statements. There certainly was no intent there to do so.  I beg to differ on this one.  While I do not consider myself to be an expert in the field, your comment regarding lack of effort to investigate is absolutely not true. My condemnation here is meant for politicians such as yourself who have the responsibility and the power to protect the residents of their municipality or county,  to find out from other areas in Ontario what is going on now with wind development.  We are going into our 4th year of wind,  and for some reason even local politicians are not investigating and are actually ignoring their residents who are suffering. I have been educating myself for almost 5 years now regarding such issues. I, for one, view the installations at Shelburne and etc. as beautiful projects indicating our desire to become responsible users of power. This is the problem,  wind turbines are only a symbol of our desires, not a real solution

Vibrocaustic disease is, in my opinion, not a proven fact, and because of your power to make this decision, based on exactly what kind of epidemiological experience?  low frequency noise generated by wind turbines (all it takes is a dBC scale reading to determine) affects people. That is a proven fact (check the World Health Organization site ) whether you want to call it VAD or Wind Turbine Syndrome.  www.windturbinesyndrome.org Until  we have a full epidemiological study no one will ever know the true extent of this issue.

and even if it was, it pales in comparison to the effects of nuclear accidents.  I’m sure you have viewed the effects of the meltdown of the reactor at Chernobyl.  When was the last time you heard of such a incident in Ontario after 50 years of Nuclear. Which medical issues do you view as being worse?   The choice is not between wind or nuclear, because wind will never be able to replace nuclear. Besides I thought wind was meant to replace fossil fuels?? in order to decrease GHG emissions.  Nuclear as you know does not contribute to GHG. I do not know of anyone who would want a nuclear reactor in their back yard.  And, I view the issue of leaving nuclear waste behind for future generations to deal with as absolutely irresponsible in every way, shape and form.  How long do you think it will be before these wastes poison our water, land, and whatever other resources that we do not own, but simply borrow from our children, would you like some of this heavy water in your well? Again how is wind going to address this issue in any significant way? Living near hydro lines of any type has been an issue for years, I’m sure you know that homes are not allowed to be built close to such transmission lines. and yet throughout the county I see houses within less than 500 m. Why do you think that is, perhaps because wind generators cause this?  No, it is because electricity in the forms we produce it and move it, is not a natural occurrence which is yet another example of how man abuses nature.  Are you suggesting we stop generating electricity??  You are not understanding my comment,  because of wind installations,  the issue of stray voltage and dirty electricity has become more of an issue. These installations are undersized and poorly designed and because wind developers need to hand over the transmission to Ontario Hydro (since they are  responsible now for the maintenance of this transmission system),  wind developers (the generating company) can walk away blaming the transmission problems on Ontario Hydro.

Do you have a microwave oven in your home? Yes Do you use it or ever eat food cooked in a microwave? Yes Do you believe that such food is safe for human consumption? Yes If yes to any of these, then you are already near to, and consuming microwaved foods.  Are you prepared to ban microwave ovens from society? No,  I  don’t object to using a microwave but I  have issues to living in one.  Your line of questions I find completely patronizing and irrelevant to the issues raised.

Wind developers are hooking their equipment into one of the most antiquated transmission systems in the developed world, and so are generating devices of all kinds, such as coal, nuclear, hydro and etc.  It is the fault of our provincial government that our transmission system has been allowed to be outdated, despite the billions of dollars that have been poured into the grid over the decades.   Some of this investment has been absolutely wasted on such things as drastic cost overruns (based on  concerns from citizens who oppose Nuclear, which pushed the gov’t to stop and start these projects over and over again I thought you were talking about the transmission system not the building of generating plants??? to build nuclear plants and also millions of dollars to get rid of executives within hydro one and related firms.  Are you pleased to be paying a debt retirement fee on your power bill? So are you saying that if I agree to wind development this will all go away? Do you believe that any business should be allowed to make such charges to their customers?  The behemoths known as Hydro One, OPA, OPG and whatever other derivatives the provincial government can come up with, are totally dysfunctional organizations in every sense of the word.  Again if I say yes to wind development,  will the dysfunction go away?  Mr. Fuhr,  you are simply getting side tracked by a very convoluted argument and problem.  I never said we didn’t have problems with our energy industry in Ontario but I just can’t see how wind is going to solve any of what you mention,  In fact,  I can see wind is only going to complicate things as well as increase the cost to us as consumers.  My latest hydro bill just announced that the recent increases where due, in part,  conservation measures and renewable projects.

Regarding electricity rates, I surely hope you understand that our power bills have been being subsidized by taxpayers for decades now.  Do you believe that the cost to produce electricity is 5.3 cents per killowatt hour?  If you do, try dividing your entire power bill by the number of kilowatt hours that you have purchased, this should be an indication for you of how they hide the actual cost of power. I also know that Darlington and Pickering are being paid 3 cents per KW and they manage to pay all of their expenses, (including thousands of employees) and still maintain a profit.  Again,  if I say yes to wind development will my electrical bill go down? or am I at least guaranteed that it will not go up because of wind development? I believe the actual cost of electricity should be paid up front, and that this actual cost of production is most certainly in excess of 15 cents per kilowatt hour.  Seems to me you were just saying we were paying the actual cost, but it’s actually hidden in other charges. Nuclear production of power easily exceeds that cost.  Even solar power, one of the cleanest ways to produce electricity, has been granted a 42 cent per kilowatt hour rate by the Ontario government.  All because of solar’s cost of production will not allow even the 15 cents to be profitable. Surely you must be able to deduce that 5.3 cents a kilowatt hour in no way, shape or form, accurately represents the cost of production.   Therefore is it all right to continue to subsidize an industry for 20 years in order to maintain it’s profitability and in turn provide minuscule amounts of energy???
I have to admit, that I am unaware of any such new coal fired plants being built in Germany and I would ask you to provide me with proof of such, I simply find this difficult to believe.  I believe Muzzco Inc. sent you the references.  Is there a reputable website that you can refer me to so that I might research this myself please?  www.windaction.org I know that Germany is a world leader in renewable energy, a model that we should be using in my opinion, so I will need to be convinced that this is actually true. If it is, I will surely want to research the reasons why they are doing this, have you done so? The wind developers tell us that it is because Germany wants to make money selling electricity.  In the case of Alberta,  a new gas generated plant was introduced last year  specifically because of the large influx of wind they allowed onto their grid.

In closing Ms. McLean, I want you to know that my comments here are not directed at you or any specific group.  Did you not direct your response to Wind Concerns Ontario,  a group of 26 affiliates all across Ontario of concerned citizens, who are fighting for their lives with not so much as any kind of financial support other than out of pocket expenses for flyers, Internet services travel etc.  Rather, this is entirely directed at the Provincial Government.  Than I would suggest you direct your letter to Minister George Smitherman and Dalton McGuinty and not me or to Wind Concerns Ontario. Successive governments have been irresponsible in matters of power production, transmission and management thereof.  It is time for us to stop downloading our problems onto future generations, it sickens me to think that we cannot as a society, be responsible for our own power needs without leaving a legacy of pollution, debt and perhaps total environmental disasters.  I beg not only you, but all members of the human race to start being responsible for the power that you use, or to stop using power. Does this mean you want to shut down hospitals,  nursing homes,  manufacturing where people earn their living?  Can you explain to me how I am suppose to stiop using power?? Stop wasting it, conserve, educate yourself, commit acts of green.  But above all, please stop the propaganda machine that I believe the wind concerns website represents.  Contact a scientist to get their opinion instead.  I would suggest the same to you Mr Fuhr. Our groups has among us scientist, engineers, doctors and lawyers,  all expressing the same concerns about wind development.  We are not against initiatives that help improve wise use of energy, reduction of GHG emissions, or renewable energy sources.  We are seeking from people like yourself,  who have the power to make the decisions with regards to policy,  to make these decisions based on good science,  not ideology.

Regards,

Councilor Roger Fuhr
Township of Perth South,,,, and concerned citizen regarding the future of our children, grandchildren and subsequent generations

The final response from Mr. Fuhr

From: roger fuhr

Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 1:06 PM

Subject: Re:

Simply wow, it is an extremely rare occurence to find a group of such narrow-minded, uninformed people as this.  After all the emails I have received in return, not in even ONE of them is a solution suggested other than, “I love nuclear and all of its poisons and risks”.  You people remind me of that group of individuals who ran around in, if memory serves, about the 17th – 18th century destroying machines of all types that people had built because they thought it would cost them their jobs if these machines were allowed to survive.  I am simply floored. I can see that there is no way to discuss this logically with any of you.  I do have a solution for you though, but guess what, you won’t like it. Hmmmm isn’t that odd,, offering solutions, what a concept huh?  SELL YOUR PROPERTIES, GET OUT OF DODGE, LIVE SOMEWHERE WHERE THERE IS NO WIND, hence no possibility of wind generators. Maybe right beside one of those cozy nuclear cancer causing generators that you all love so much. Shocked, (l’il pun there),,,,, You have certainly assisted me in my determination to spread the truth on this subject,, Thank you,,,,
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Mr. Fuhr – after reading this exchange, in which you acknowledge your lack of knowledge on the subject, you should hang your head in shame.

But if you did, your turbine might fall off your head – and we wouldn’t want that.

At the very least you should offer a heart felt apology to the people you have gone out of your way to offend. You might also want to consider resigning. You have embarrassed your community.
Please read this last post

Wind turbines cause health problems, residents say – CTV News

October 6, 2008

Editor:

“Wind turbines are popping up in rural communities around the world, including Canada, in the hope that they will reduce reliance on coal and other sources for power.”

Hope is not what you build an electrical system on. The politicians can “hope” till the cows come home, but the facts speak for themselves.

Nowhere on the planet has the use of industrial wind turbines caused a reduction in the use of coal or any other source of energy.

I would like to thank CTV and those responsible for bringing this story forward and into the mainstream media.

To all those fighting poorly sited wind farms – keep up the great work.

Without your hard work and insistence for the truth, this story would not likely have seen the light of day.

Ontario Wind Farms – Dalton McGuinty
(using wind to power press release – short video)

Premier, Dalton McGuinty Talks About Renewable Energy For Ontario

Wind energy unreliable, says E.On

Green, not dumb – The Reality of Wind Energy
By Jan Carr – former CEO of Ontario Power Authority

Homeowners living near windfarms see property values plummet

Wind turbines cause health problems, residents say

View larger image A wind turbine looms over Helen and Bill Fraser's house in Melancthon, Ont.

A wind turbine looms over Helen and Bill Fraser’s house in Melancthon, Ont.

Ernie Marshall and his wife look at the windmills near their former home near Goderich, Ont. The Marshalls moved from several kilometres away after they began developing health problems.Ernie Marshall and his wife look at the windmills near their former home near Goderich, Ont. The Marshalls moved from several kilometres away after they began developing health problems.

Wind turbines cause health problems, residents say

Updated Sun. Oct. 5 2008 10:23 PM ET

CTV.ca News Staff

Windmills may be an environmentally friendly alternative energy source but they also cause debilitating health problems, say people who live near them.

Wind turbines are popping up in rural communities around the world, including Canada, in the hope that they will reduce reliance on coal and other sources for power. Currently, there are about 1,500 turbines across Canada and there are plans to build another 1,000 to 1,500 in the next year.

But some residents who live near wind farms complain the turbines cause a number of adverse health effects, such as crippling headaches, nose bleeds and a constant ringing in the ears.

Helen and Bill Fraser initially supported the nearby wind farm in Melancthon, Ont. One turbine sat close to the Fraser’s kitchen window.

“We thought, more green energy, this is great,” Helen told CTV News.

However, Helen says she developed headaches, body aches and she had trouble sleeping. The dog began wetting the floor at night.

“There were nights I was lying in bed and my heart would beat to the pulse of the turbine. It was an uneasy feeling,” Helen said.

Ernie Marshall at first supported the wind farm that was placed near his home near Goderich, Ont. However, he also says that once the turbines got rolling, his health began to suffer.

“I had problems with my heart, with my eyes, my digestive system,” Marshall told CTV News. “It traumatizes your whole body.”

Dr. Nina Pierpont, a pediatrician in upstate New York, has interviewed dozens of people who live near windmills in Canada, the United States and Europe.

Her soon-to-be released book, Wind Turbine Syndrome, documents the litany of health problems experienced by some people who have wind farms near their homes.

Pierpont believes that with the growth of wind farms near residential areas, Wind Turbine Syndrome “likely will become an industrial plague,” she states on her website.

Scientists have only begun studying the phenomenon in the last few years.

Some early findings suggest that wind turbines create a high intensity, low frequency sound that may have an effect on the body. Not only can the sound potentially cause debilitating illness. Some researchers believe that the vibrations the sound causes in the inner ear may lead to vibro-acoustic disease, which can cause dizziness, nausea and sleep disturbances.

From CTV NEWS

Green, not dumb – The Reality of Wind Energy

September 29, 2008

Editor:

It is quite unfortunate that a man like Mr. Carr, former CEO of the Ontario Power Authority, who has known for a long time, the problems with wind energy, declined to step forward until now.

Many families in the province have had their lives ruined while he and his colleagues remained silent.

That said, maybe his words will encourage others to step forward.

I want to take this opportunity to thank all those who refused, to shut up, lay down or go away. Be proud of the fight you have, and continue to wage. Truth and justice are always worth the effort.

May other citizens learn from your example.

Jan Carr, former OPA CEO, will now tell you exactly what we have been saying for years.

Thanks for coming forward Mr. Carr, and welcome aboard the truth train.

Mr. Carr’s letter to the Globe and Mail.

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Green, not dumb

Toronto — My wife suggested Murray Campbell’s use of “old” in “dumb old utility guys” should be my basis for a complaint to a human rights tribunal (‘Dougs’ Take Warning: Curious George Is Keen On Green – Sept. 25), as the former CEO of the Ontario Power Authority.

Let the facts speak for themselves. The OECD’s International Energy Agency and the websites of the European utilities themselves say it all. In spite of hype about their innovation in renewable energy, both Germany and Denmark derive half of their electricity from coal-fired stations. As its nuclear generating stations reach the end of their design-lives, Germany will have to decide between building new coal-fired generation (it already has 10 times the amount that Ontario has) and abandoning its no-new-nuclear policy. With a quarter of its supply coming from renewables and more on the way, Ontario’s electricity is already considerably greener than Germany’s and soon will take league leadership from Denmark.

Then check electricity prices. Germans pay double and Danes triple what Ontarians do.

From the Globe and Mail

Today at noon, Ontario’s 672MW’s of wind were producing 32MW’s

Province to push renewables – Green Energy for Ontario

September 19, 2008

The Ontario Govt. seems to like this story. Maybe if they read it enough times they might just figure out the scam themselves. It’s 4:15 Fri. the 26th of  Sept. The Gov. of Ontario has viewed this page 12 times today.

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As you read through this article from the Toronto Star, you might want to ask yourself. Where are the people and engineers that actually understand our energy system. Then I want you to read the Green Agenda in order to understand what is taking place. This is not about energy, it about control. You might also ask yourself how these people gained such influence over our elected officials.

I try not to cuss, but under the circumstances it seems appropriate.

Global Warming is a complete and total fraud. The sooner you understand it the better off you will be.

Smitherman calls for review of energy plan to speed conservation, and green technologies (Smitherman used to be the Ont. health minister. He’s the guy who wanted our elders to sit in their own dirty diapers until they were 75% full. Go fuck yourself Smitherman.)added

Energy Reporter ( Hamilton says he’s an energy reporter yet he has no idea what he’s talking about. If he did, he would refuse to write this drivel. A shill for CanWEA and the wind industry in general.  Tyler go fuck yourself.) added

NIAGARA FALLS–Energy and Infrastructure Minister George Smitherman has directed Ontario’s power authority to review and “fine tune” the province’s 20-year energy plan with the goal of accelerating conservation efforts and adding more renewable energy to the electricity mix.

But Smitherman, also deputy premier, said yesterday in a speech to energy-industry officials that the government is sticking with its target of phasing out coal by 2014 and maintaining the capacity of Ontario’s nuclear power fleet.

Inspired by recent learning expeditions to Spain, Denmark and Germany, considered global leaders in renewable energy adoption, and to California, the energy-conservation capital of North America, Smitherman said he’s convinced that more can be done in Ontario to unlock the potential of conservation and clean energy.

The Wind Energy Scam- Compare the Numbers

(Denmark is a tiny country  with about the same population as Metro Toronto, they are 83% dependent on fossil fuel for their energy. Germany is now fast tracking coal plants because they need energy.  Germany is over 60% dependent on fossil fuel for their energy and it will rise as they add coal plants. Go fuck yourself Smitherman.)added

The review will also look at ways to improve transmission capacity that has limited the development of renewable-energy projects, as well as explore opportunities for pump storage – a way of storing water power in natural geological reservoirs for use during peak times.

“With innovation and strong leadership I know we can raise the bar on the energy system,” said Smitherman, making his first major speech since he took over the “super ministry” in June. “Just because we’re doing well doesn’t mean we can’t do it better.”

(Smitherman, you couldn’t even figure out how to keep our elders in clean diapers and we are to trust you with our electrical system. Go Fuck yourself)added

In an interview, Smitherman said he would work “very closely” with the Ontario Power Authority over the next six months to refine the plan.

Environmental groups appreciated the strengthened commitment to green power and conservation but said Smitherman, by leaving the nuclear file untouched, didn’t go far enough.

“We agree that prioritizing renewable energy and conservation is essential as such economic strategy holds huge potential for job creation and the establishment of new industries to replace job losses in Ontario,” said José Etcheverry from the David Suzuki Foundation.

“However, we also believe that rethinking the commitment to new nuclear and refurbishments should be now top on the agenda to develop a truly innovative, reliable, and competitive green-energy sector in Ontario.”

(David Suzuki and his followers want no coal and no nukes. Think about it! Suzuki go fuck yourself)added

Both the Canadian Wind Energy Association and the Ontario Waterpower Association said they were encouraged by the announcement. “I am particularly pleased with the recognition that enabling transmission is critical to the achievement of our renewable energy targets,” said Paul Norris, president of the water association.

The Ontario Power Authority’s proposal – called the Integrated Power System Plan – is currently in the hands of the Ontario Energy Board. The regulator launched a hearing early last month that will determine if the plan is “economically prudent” and “cost effective.”

Under the current plan, Ontario’s nuclear power capacity is limited to 14,000 megawatts, which will be maintained by building new reactors or refurbishing old ones. Renewable energy has been doubled to 15,700 megawatts, while conservation and demand management efforts are targeting a 6,300-megawatt reduction in peak-time energy consumption by 2025.

Some industry associations, including the Power Workers’ Union, consider the renewable and conservation targets already too aggressive and say coal plants should be cleaned up and kept in the mix.

Smitherman said Ontario hasn’t begun to scratch the surface and the government isn’t going to rest on its laurels. “I’m pretty stoked, really, about the early progress that we’ve made, and the message that sends about the next steps.”

Keith Stewart, an energy expert with WWF-Canada, said it’s unclear what will happen at the current energy board hearings. “It is difficult to see how the hearings would proceed while the review is under way.”

(Stewart is not an energy expert anymore than anyone reading this is.(Keith Stewart has a PhD in political science from York University, where he studied environmental politics Gerald Butt’s the ex-principal secretary for McGuinty, is now the head of WWF Canada and a Bilderberger. For working so hard to undermine Ont. and it’s economy, go fuck yourselves.)added

This article is from the Toronto Star one of Ontario’s many propaganda machines

Read the GREEN AGENDA.

get educated

and

WAKE UP!

Wind energy unreliable, says E.On